This week Ez (he/him) and Bette (she/they) discuss useful strategies for engaging in debate around trans topics, both for trans folks and for cis allies. They go deep in the weeds seeking the truth about anti-trans talking points like “detransition” and “biological males”, and explain why clarity is so important when talking about the nuances of sex and gender

Timestamps and Links:

• 01:45 - How To Advocate For Trans Folks By Trans Folks
• 04:06 - Step 1: Remain Calm
• 04:26 - Draw out the quiet part, who is the cost of this joke?
• 07:00 - First Reactions: What do you really get from responding in anger? Who becomes the victim?
• 08:37 - Step 2: Show Genuine Curiosity In Your Opponents Argument
• 10:51 - Intelligence: Underestimating the intelligence of people.
• 12:16 - Empathy: Why do they believe this? Understanding people.
• 13:34 - Fear: What are they afraid of?
• 16:35 - Step 3: Embrace Uncertainty
• 18:50 - Statistical Analysis: "Detransition" rates
• 19:51 - Henny "Detransition" Review
• 21:50 - Turban et al "Detransition" Analysis
• 24:22 - What to say? Lessen minority stress
• 28:44 - We don’t ban seatbelts because they hurt a few people.
• 31:06 - PODCAST EXCLUSIVE CONTENT
• 31:25 - Step 4: Don’t Use Their Language
• 33:02 - Problematic Language: DeCIStance
• 34:34 - Problematic Language: Transgenderism
• 35:12 - Positive Language: Precise Language - TransHUB
• 38:44 - Imane Khelif Saga: Hysteria and rational thinking
• 44:22 - Language: Sex VS Gender
• 51:39 - Assigned Sex at Birth
• 52:20 - Got a Topic Idea? Contact Us

For further reading:

• Contrapoints: Incels
• Temple Newhook et al (2018): A critical commentary on follow-up studies and “desistance” theories about transgender and gender non-conforming children
• TransHub Trans-Affirming Language Guide

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