My guest today is Aman Khan.

Aman is the Director of Product at Arize AI. Last year, we both heard the Chief Product Officers of OpenAI and Anthropic share that AI evaluations will be the most important skill for PMs in 2025. Aman gave me a crash course on how to build this critical skill in our interview.

Timestamps:

• (00:00) Evals force you to get into your user's shoes

• (03:42) 5 skills to build right now to become a great AI PM

• (07:43) How curiosity leads to better AI products

• (10:20) You can build AI without the job title

• (17:00) A deep dive into why AI evals are so important

• (24:53) Example of running evals for an AI customer support agent

• (31:32) When humans need to be in the loop for evals

• (35:46) How to get better at writing evals right now

• (39:39) My personal prompt and eval for transcripts

• (44:23) Catching the AI wave is alot like surfing

  Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/the-ai-skill-that-will-define-your-pm-career-aman-khan

  Where to find Aman:

  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amanberkeley/

  Arize: https://arize.com/

  
  

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My guest today is Amit Fulay.

Amit is a product VP at Microsoft who previously spent 15 years building products like News Feed (Meta) and Google Meet (Google). In our interview, he reveals the three types of product leaders, how to build trust at each career stage, and what AI means for PMs. He also teaches a popular on leveling up from PM to influential product leader (get $100 off with this link).

Timestamps:

(00:00) The secret to building trust

(01:43) 3 distinct types of product leaders

(03:29) How to influence each type of leader

(09:29) Will AI kill traditional product management?

(16:02) How to build trust in each stage of your career

(20:16) Sunsetting your own without losing trust

(25:31) Speaking the truth to your management chain

(28:55) Inside how Satya Nadella fixed Microsoft

(32:41) What Amit wished he knew when he started as a PM

Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/top-1-percent-product-leaders-do-this-amit-fulay Where to find Amit:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/afulay/

Course: https://maven.com/amitfulay/toppmleader 📌 Subscribe to this channel – more interviews coming soon!

My guest today is Katia Verresen. Katia is one of Silicon Valley's most sought-after leadership coaches. Her clients include Fidji Simo (CEO of Instacart), Kate Rouch (CMO of OpenAI), Deb Liu (CEO of Ancestry), who all rave about how she transformed their careers. In our chat, Katia shared her proven techniques to help you achieve your goals in the new year. Timestamps: (00:00) How to stop doubting yourself (01:54) The year-in-review ritual top CEOs swear by (06:11) I thought I had a horrible year until I realized this (10:13) Why it's so important to celebrate your wins(15:40) Coaching clients from managers to CEOs (17:57) The power of unlocking your "kind observer" (21:35) How to use emotions to shape your reality (30:18) Imagination is a superpower most leaders don't use (41:18) 3 daily practices to unlock abundant energy Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/make-2025-your-best-year-yet-katia-verresen Where to find Katia: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katia-verresen/ Website: https://www.kvaleadership.com/ 📌 Subscribe to this channel – more interviews coming soon!

My guest today is Sachin Rekhi.

Sachin scaled LinkedIn’s Sales Navigator to $200M ARR and 500 employees. He then left it all behind to start Notejoy; a team notes app. I had a great chat with him about finding market fit for your product and career in 2025 and how to design work to suit your life, not vice versa.

Timestamps: (00:00) I got my dream PM job then realized I didn’t want it (02:19) The MVP is dead (08:02) Execution is NOT the only thing that matters (09:40) A proven loop to achieve product-market fit (14:18) Better ways to validate your product than MVPs (20:01) How to even measure product-market fit (26:03) Why Sachin opted out of the path to VP (29:16) Aligning your career with your zone of genius (36:18) I saw the small team trend coming (40:38) Use explore-exploit to find your dream career (44:01) Closing tips to design your life with purpose

Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/rethink-your-pm-career-in-2025-sachin-rekhi Where to find Sachin: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sachinrekhi/ Website: https://www.sachinrekhi.com/ 📌 Subscribe to this channel – more interviews coming soon!

My guest today is Deb Liu. Deb is the CEO of Ancestry, former VP at Meta, and writer of Perspectives. But for our interview, I wanted to talk to Deb about a more personal topic: How to survive and thrive as a busy working parent with your spouse, aging parents, and kids. In our interview, Deb shared her best advice on building a 60-60 relationship with your spouse, raising resilient kids, caring for aging parents, and dealing with grief. Timestamps: (00:00) How to stop parenting through guilt

(01:19) Building a 60-60 relationship with your spouse

(03:05) Choosing your marriage swim lanes

(05:41) A simple ritual for authentic family conversations

(09:51) Why the world isn't set up for two working parents

(12:24) How to solve stressful mornings

(17:29) The sandwich generation and dealing with grief

(21:38) How to build your modern village

(27:49) Raising resilient kids as a busy parent

(35:19) Closing words of advice for balancing career and family Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/how-to-survive-and-thrive-as-a-busy-working-parent Where to find Deb:

Newsletter: https://debliu.substack.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahliu/ 📌 Subscribe to this channel – more interviews coming soon!

My guest today is Mike Knoop, co-founder of Zapier. Mike co-founded Zapier and started the ARC Prize to accelerate progress towards open AGI. We had a great chat about how Zapier works, how PMs and marketers can use AI to automate even more work, and why LLMs won’t reach AGI by themselves. Timestamps: (00:00) There are two types of AI automation (01:57) How Zapier automation works (05:14) I quit being Zapier's CPO to do AI research (07:54) I gave employees a week off to just use AI(11:57) How PMs can use AI agents to save time (14:03) We saved $100K by using AI agents in marketing (21:28) Robotic process automation might be better than APIs (26:30) Most definitions of AGI are wrong (30:45) Why LLMs won't get us to AGI and what might work instead Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/zapier-co-founder-ai-agents-10x-productivity-mike-knoop Where to find Mike:X: https://x.com/mikeknoopWebsite: https://mikeknoop.com/ 📌 Subscribe to this channel – more interviews coming soon!

My guest today is Jiaona Zhang, the CPO of LinkTree. JZ is the Chief Product Officer of LinkTree and a guest lecturer at Stanford. We had a great chat about AI’s impact on PM managers and super ICs, the shift towards PM specialists, and whether becoming a creator can help advance your PM career. (00:00) Find what makes you happy in your PM career (01:44) AI's impact on PM managers and super ICs (04:03) How to balance strategy and execution (08:24) Streamlining PM tasks with AI (13:28) Creating strategy docs and PRDs that work (16:50) Your career is your most important product (22:55) The shift from PM generalists to specialists (23:58) Exploring JZ's Career Odyssey framework (25:49) Why you shouldn't just optimize for comp and title (31:12) Does the creator economy actually work? (44:19) Can being a creator help advance your product career? Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/how-the-product-manager-role-is-changing-jiaona-zhang Where to find Jiaona: LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/jz LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jiaona/ 📌 Subscribe to this channel – more interviews coming soon!

My guest today is Niels Hoven, founder and CEO of Mentava. Niels founded Mentava, an education startup teaching 2-year-olds to read at the 2nd-grade level. We had a great chat about why K-12 education is broken for high-achieving kids, whether AI will unlock personalized learning, and how his software teaches 2-year-olds to read. Timestamps: (00:00) Our schools don't work for high-achieving kids (01:26) The problem with K-12 education in the US (03:08) Why California banned 8th grade algebra (10:11) Never be ashamed of advocating for your kids (14:21) How Niels homeschooled 3 kids during COVID (19:25) Teaching 2-year-olds to read like 2nd graders (25:24) Rethinking how we teach kids math (28:44) Will AI replace teachers? (30:34) Will elite college credentials still matter? (35:29) Tips for parents to raise high-achieving kids Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/why-education-is-broken-for-high-achieving-kids-niels-hoven Where to find Niels: X: https://x.com/NielsHoven Website: https://www.mentava.com/ 📌 Subscribe to this channel – more interviews coming soon!