On this episode of if/else, host Mayuko Inoue looks at the past, present, and future of container orchestration.

The start of a new decade feels like a good time to take stock of some of the momentous changes that have occurred over the past decade in software development and deployment, and to look ahead at some of the technologies that will have an impact in the years to come.

The episode begins with a short history of containers and the technology that was developed for provisioning, scheduling, and managing containers at scale. Then we do a deep dive into the open source container-orchestration system, Kubernetes. You’ll hear from several developers about their experiences working with Kubernetes, along with their opinions about some of the challenges facing the Kubernetes community.

Next, you’ll hear a feature interview with Kelsey Hightower. Kelsey is Principal Developer Advocate at Google and co-chair of KubeCon, the largest Kubernetes conference. He’s also an open source technology enthusiast and a co-author of the book Kubernetes: Up and Running.

Kelsey and Mayuko discuss a wide range of topics around Kubernetes and container management. They explore the innovations that led to the current state of DevOps, and Kelsey gives his opinions on how to improve certain aspects of Kubernetes, including developer on-boarding and API security. Kelsey also makes some predictions about where the technology is headed, particularly around serverless tech.

You can hear more from Kelsey Hightower in his latest KubeCon keynote address.

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