Have you ever been in the zone, or in flow? Want to get back there again and again? In this episode we talk with Dr. Sue Jackson, a psychologist who has specialized in sport and exercise psychology. She co-wrote Flow in Sports with the “father of flow” research, Mihaly "Mike" Csikszentmihalyi; her latest book, Experiencing Flow, looks into how we can all spend more time experiencing peak performance, whether on the race track or at any other time in our life. Sue talks about her recent interest in racing, and specifically Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher (since they knew a thing or two about getting into the zone!).

This podcast is all about what’s driving the car, and this time we dig ever deeper in the minds of high-performing drivers.

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For more information about Dr. Sue Jackson and her books:

Website:

https://www.bodyandmindflow.com.au

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https://www.instagram.com/suejackson_flow/

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LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/drsuejackson

This episode was produced by Mike Perlman.

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Ross Bentley is a former IndyCar driver, a bestselling author, and a world-renowned performance coach. Jeff Braun is a champion race engineer. Sam Smith is an award-winning writer and a former executive editor of Road & Track magazine.

We don’t love racing for the nuts and bolts—we love it for what it asks of the meatbag at the wheel.

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