Today Kevin and Laura speak with Jennifer McIver, the Director of Legal Operations & Industry Insights at Wolters Kluwer about GenAI being just one of the tools in your tech toolbox. We discuss whether GenAI should be treated like predictive coding or MS365. Jen reminds us to remember the data and traditional AI tools. We talk enterprise legal management, spend software and legal analytics solution, e-signatures, legal prediction tools, case management tools, chatbots and e-Billing apps. We also hear Jen's divisive take on "tech she hates." This is a fun episode!

Jennifer McIver is an attorney turned legal technologist with extensive experience helping corporate legal departments improve operational efficiency, spend management, and collaboration with outside counsel through the use and adoption of technology. As Director, Legal Operations & Industry Insights at Wolters Kluwer, Jennifer represents ELM Solutions at industry events, develops thought-provoking content, and dives deep with LegalVIEW to surface valuable data insights about rates and other industry trends.

Laura and Kevin also chat about The Advocate Next Door, a new podcast from friends of the pod Kelby Ballena (our guest on pod 29 from 2021) and Margarita Rosa Arango. The Advocate Next Door is a podcast that covers genuine, in-person conversations with individuals from diverse backgrounds. Kelby and Margarita welcome guests who delve into their life and career journeys, exploring the passions and hobbies that drive them, and uncovering the stories behind their career choices. Each episode aims to reveal the personal side of professional paths, sharing inspiring tales of resilience, dedication, and the unique experiences that shape who they are today. They recently dropped their first 3 episodes. Check them out here.