I speak with Dr. Kristin Neff, the person perhaps most responsible for researching the effects of self-compassion.

She is the author of the 2011 bestselling book Self-Compassion: The Proven Power of Being Kind to Yourself and her newest book, Fierce Self-Compassion: How Women Can Harness Kindness to Speak Up, Claim Their Power, and Thrive.

Kristin and I talk about what she calls fierce self-compassion and how anger can be compassionate, and other questions like:

• Why are men better at self-compassion than women?
• What we do find is there’s a small but consistent gender difference that actually favors men.
• Does the fact that women tend to score lower than men on self-compassion has an impact on the salary gap between men and women.
• Is there a link between so-called “compulsive caretaking of others” and autoimmune disorders and some kinds of cancer?

Kristin leads us in a self-compassion meditation, and I ask her about the infectious positivity and compassion of the television series character, Ted Lasso, played by Jason Sudeikis.

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