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Simon seeks some advice from Lee about keeping things in confidence, and then they talk about what our work colleagues really think of us.

Things covered: A messed up beginning riddled with technological issues and two different audio streams, Sennheiser headphones, Sony headphones, photoshopping floor plans (apartment update), Lee's Dad flipping houses, renovations from another country, Ian Dury and the Blockheads (Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick), the rhythm method, a drummer in the room as a form of contraception, a conversation in confidence, burning bridges with everybody, overestimating one's capacity to intervene productively, Simon's nickname Clunk, a hilarious way for Lee to be an arsehole, Jefrey (the dog) trying to eat a croissant from a 2 year old, Lee being an excellent Agony Uncle, Lee singing musical tunes, staff away days (that aren't away), saying things we like about colleagues, emerging themes about what Simon's colleagues think of them, Simon's capacity to organise, baked goods at work, cupboard love, lightness of touch at work, being funny at work, hypothetically what Lee's colleagues would say about him, people pleasing, 360 reviews.

Get in touch with Lee and Simon at info@midlifing.net.

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Lee and Simon discuss the extent to which identities are tied to work, and some other stuff.

Things covered: International Champagne Day (25 October), talking in the third person, Prosecco, Cava, a biscuity Champage, Franciacorta, apartment update (offer accepted), relative cheapness vs eye watering amounts of money, waiting on tenterhooks, needing an Italian bank account, the apartment will be signed off by Christmas, Lee seeding house buying ideas, one's work identity (and it changing or even disappearing), a new perspective on work and on art making, which things to move to Italy, moving money around, the things we buy as investments, not paying rent anymore, Lee being a dastardly prick, Bob coming back from China with gifts, cultural generosity, chinese artist Rui Guo, Simon's virus, Lee's chest pain, wearing stress in the stomach or heart, removing saturated fats from one's diet, that gall bladder thing, egg-less pancake recipe, Hong Kong martial arts film called Twilight of the Warriors: Walled In (must watch apparently), drinking sangria in the park, Lou Reed.

Get in touch with Lee and Simon at info@midlifing.net.

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Lee and Simon discuss what it is they are most proud of and the capacity to feel as if terrible events are gifts.

Things covered: Not having a kitchen, Wolf ovens, removing fitted carpets from a place, Simon being met by a friend at St Pancras, Lee being proud of still being married to Bob, the challenges of a life, having had a difficult week (tummy anxiety), the feeling of underperforming at work, men being less able to communicate feelings (or not), texting a Jungian analysis, the feeling of a big week when it isn't really that big, how small things accumulate over time, Lee watching and seeing the photographs that Bob is taking while she is away, a period of difficulty as a gift, revisiting (briefly) that moment when Simon and Lee covered Simon's reaction to their first miscarriage (see episode whatever way back when), the capacity to view a difficult thing as a gift, the rhythm of loss, adapting to change in time, coming back to worm carnage, closed captions: unsettling music playing, discordant noise, John Williams and Jaws, being full sensory beasts.

Get in touch with Lee and Simon at info@midlifing.net.

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