Oral Arguments

By: Norma Buster
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  • Join victims rights advocate Norma Buster in candid conversations with cool people doing important sh*t -- at the intersection of sex, tech, and victims rights.
    2022
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  • 2-12: Protest Through Litigation, Taking on Big Tech & Financial Justice with Carrie Goldberg

    2-12: Protest Through Litigation, Taking on Big Tech & Financial Justice with Carrie Goldberg
    Oct 26 2023

    It’s the Season 2 finale and we have the one and only Carrie Goldberg as our guest! Carrie is the founding attorney of C.A. Goldberg, PLLC, a victims rights’ firm in Brooklyn, where Norma is Director of Client Relations. Known for being the lawyer taking on big tech, Carrie created her firm to advocate for victims of tech-facilitated abuse and has been one of the leaders in changing laws and attitudes surrounding image-based sexual abuse. Norma and Carrie discuss meeting in 2015, when Carrie became Norma’s lawyer, what was going on in Carrie’s life at the time, only about a year into starting her firm. Carrie describes the growth of the firm and the moment she realized she needed to hire a team, work/life balance, insights on dating, and her experiences working with Holocaust survivors in her 20s. She and Norma talk about financial justice and stigma around survivors demanding and accepting money – which is what the legal system is for (distribute the wealth!). Carrie gets into some of her biggest Section 230/tech accountability lawsuits, including suing Grindr (listen to S1E10 with Matthew Herrick) and Amazon for selling suicide kits to kids, and attacking major issues from all angles: protest through litigation, advocating for legislation, agitating media for public awareness, and creating a cultural shift. Finally, Carrie answers a few listener questions about doing her work as a survivor herself, the future around image-based sexual abuse, and more. 

     

    Follow Carrie Goldberg & C.A. Goldberg, PLLC:

    Instagram @cagoldberglaw

    Twitter @cagoldberglaw 

    C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:

    https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/

    Buy Carrie’s book, Nobody’s Victim (and check out Norma’s Bookshop.org affiliate link for more recs from the pod!):

    https://bookshop.org/lists/oral-arguments-podcast-books-mentioned 

     

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    More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY - DEADLINE NOV 23, 2023: 

    https://www.survivorslaw.com/ 
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    1 hr and 24 mins
  • 2-11: Relationship between Sex Workers Rights & Repro Rights + Destigmatizing through Storytelling & Education with Kaytlin Bailey

    2-11: Relationship between Sex Workers Rights & Repro Rights + Destigmatizing through Storytelling & Education with Kaytlin Bailey
    Oct 19 2023
    This week’s guest, Kaytlin Bailey, is a sex worker rights advocate, comedian, writer, and founder of Old Pros and Host of The Oldest Profession Podcast. She tells us about her start getting into sex work as a form of rebellion, how her sex work evolved as she pursued her comedy career, and the undeniable freedom that comes with “embracing that archetypal whore.” Norma and Kaytlin discuss how censorship of sex-positive content is actually counterintuitive to preventing sexual abuse, as well as the nuances of “free speech” and what that means, and for whom. Kaytlin explains how she got into advocacy for sex workers rights after the passage of SESTA/FOSTA in 2018, and why destigmatization is such an important step for decriminalization – and how she attacks that through educating listeners to her podcast about sex workers’ stories in history. She gets into Old Pros, her nonprofit with a mission of cultural change and creating persuasive content, hosting compelling events, and changing people’s minds, and Whore’s Eye View, her one-woman “edutational” show (which she’s getting ready to tour!). Kaytlin gets into her upbringing and living with both progressive activism and benevolent sexism and coming out to family as a sex worker. Then, she tells us about what we can learn from the Comstock Laws and how reproductive rights are related to sex workers rights – and ultimately, bodily autonomy and freedom of expression for all of us. Finally, Norma and Kaytlin get into the conflation of sex work and exploitation or trafficking, the current state of the decriminalization movement in the US, and why “End the Demand”/Nordic/”partial decriminalization” model actually creates a power imbalance that hurts sex workers and trafficking victims.   Follow Kaytlin Bailey, Old Pros: Instagram @kaytlinbailey, @oldprosonline Twitter @KaytlinBailey, @oldprosonline https://oldprosonline.org/    UPCOMING EVENTS: Buy tickets (in person or virtual) for Securing Sexuality Conference, watch Norma’s talk on 10/20 at 1 pm “Sex-Positive Victims Rights: Ethical Considerations for Practitioners and Tech”  https://www.securingsexuality.com/register-now.html#/  Buy tickets for Another Body screening at IFC Center in NYC, 10/21/23 at 7:05 pm - post-screening Q&A with Norma Buster, Adam Eli, and directors Sophie Compton & Reuben Hamlyn: https://tickets.ifccenter.com/websales/pages/ticketsearchcriteria.aspx?evtinfo=405515~8722a542-64c1-4c0b-af02-c3e8a239d769&_ga=2.150474742.152236870.1696462706-1267295534.1695929460  anotherbodyfilm.com/ Buy tickets for past guest Jacq Frances’ movie premiere, Tuesdays with Brian Tues 10/24 https://www.eventbrite.com/e/tuesdays-with-brian-premiere-tickets-719003939137    Follow Norma Buster: Instagram @normabuster_ Twitter @normabuster  OnlyFans https://onlyfans.com/normabuster    Follow Oral Arguments: Instagram @oralargumentspodcast Twitter @Oral_Arguments C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website: https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/ More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY:  https://www.survivorslaw.com/    Books mentioned:    The Man Who Hated Women: Sex, Censorship, and Civil Liberties in the Gilded Age, Amy Sohn https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-man-who-hated-women-sex-censorship-and-civil-liberties-in-the-gilded-age-amy-sohn/15042621?ean=9781250174833   Unbroken Chains: The Hidden Role of Human Trafficking in the American Economy, Melissa Ditmore https://bookshop.org/p/books/unbroken-chains-the-hidden-role-of-human-trafficking-in-the-american-economy-melissa-ditmore/18738003?ean=9780807006771
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    1 hr and 12 mins
  • 2-10: My Image My Choice: Making a Doc on Deepfakes & Becoming Activists with Sophie Compton & Reuben Hamlyn

    2-10: My Image My Choice: Making a Doc on Deepfakes & Becoming Activists with Sophie Compton & Reuben Hamlyn
    Oct 12 2023

    This week we have directors of Another Body, a documentary following a college student’s investigation after discovering deepfake content of herself online – and we get an inside look into the making of it. First, in the intro, Norma talks about the news that CA has passed Tyler’s Law (AB1109), which punishes online retailers for selling sodium nitrite to minors. She also talks about C.A. Goldberg’s new blog post on the legal rights of sex workers. Then, we get to our guests, Sophie Compton and Reuben Hamlyn. Sophie and Reuben tell us about their paths to making a documentary about deepfakes, and how they used AI in Another Body to anonymize the subject, “Taylor,” – and how Taylor found it to be a form of reclamation. They discuss their research speaking with victims of image-based sexual abuse (IBSA) and what they learned about common impacts on survivors (especially internalized shame), and why these discussions need to be inclusive of all survivors of IBSA. Sophie and Reuben explain their process to ethically find a survivor to work with and get real about some of their challenges and best practices throughout (keyword: transparency). Norma, Sophie, and Reuben discuss the idea of a “perfect victim,” the unique effects of speaking out about IBSA on survivors who are public figures, and the positive impact that video diaries had on Taylor in her healing journey. Sophie and Reuben discuss their research pouring through 4chan forums and how their documentary and research turned into a movement, My Image My Choice. Finally, they discuss what’s next: advocating for the criminalization of deepfakes, shutting down sites dedicated to deepfakes, upcoming screenings of Another Body, a virtual summit in November, and more from My Image My Choice. 

     

    Info on Another Body: 

    Instagram @anotherbody.film

    anotherbodyfilm.com/ 

    Buy tickets for Another Body screening at IFC Center in NYC, 10/21/23 at 7:05 pm - post-screening Q&A with Norma Buster, Adam Eli, and directors Sophie Compton & Reuben Hamlyn:

    https://tickets.ifccenter.com/websales/pages/ticketsearchcriteria.aspx?evtinfo=405515~8722a542-64c1-4c0b-af02-c3e8a239d769&_ga=2.150474742.152236870.1696462706-1267295534.1695929460 

    https://linktr.ee/anotherbody.film 

     

    My Image My Choice:

    Instagram @myimagemychoice

    https://myimagemychoice.org/ 

     

    Follow Sophie Compton and Reuben Hamlyn:

    Instagram @sophietaracompton @urghreub 

     

    Follow Norma Buster:

    Instagram @normabuster_

    Twitter @normabuster 

    OnlyFans https://onlyfans.com/normabuster 

     

    Follow Oral Arguments:

    Instagram @oralargumentspodcast

    Twitter @Oral_Arguments



    C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:

    https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/

    More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY: 

    https://www.survivorslaw.com/ 

     

    Articles Mentioned:

    https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/legal-rights-of-sex-workers/ 

    Tyler’s Law: https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB1109/2023#:~:text=On%20or%20after%20July%201,years%20of%20age%20or%20older. 

     
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    1 hr and 41 mins

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