In this episode, two retired police officers from the US and the UK, Anthony McNeil and Steven Keogh, share their experiences and perspectives on the evolution of policing over the past few decades. They discuss the impact of technology, social media, and politics on the profession, contrasting their early days on the force with the current environment. The conversation highlights the challenges faced by modern officers, the importance of communication skills, and the differences in policing practices between the two countries. They also share personal anecdotes, including their children's involvement in law enforcement and the changing societal attitudes towards police work. For more information visit: https://www.cluarantonn.com/the-blue-way/anthonyandstevenpartfour If you'd like to find out more about Anthony and Steven visit; ⁠⁠Anthony McNeil⁠⁠ - The Off Duty Podcast - Law Enforcement - Humanizing the Badge (https://www.theoffdutypodcast.com/) ⁠⁠Steven Keogh⁠ - Free Course — stevenkeogh.com (stevekeogh.com) (https://stevekeogh.com/courses) TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Intro 11:03 Use of Body Cameras in Law Enforcement 12:47 Approach to Deadly Force in Law Enforcement 14:09 Different Approaches to Law Enforcement 20:34 Experience as a Detective 23:33 Impact of Changes in Police Procedures 25:37 Stories about Children's Career Choices 26:38 Changes in Policing Profession 30:06 Gun Laws in the UK

In this episode, we welcome Steven and Anthony, two former police officers with extensive careers in law enforcement. Steven recounts his early days handling robbery and rape cases, sharing the challenges and experiences that came with those roles, and how he found his true calling in murder investigations. Anthony provides a detailed account of his career, discussing his transition to a desk job due for the last five years of his career due to a severe health scare, a role that Anthony found frustrating and unfulfilling. Although, Anthony recounts a poignant moment where he realised the impact he could still make in this role, where he was able to help a troubled young boy turn his life around.

The conversation then turns to Anthony and Steven’s eventual retirements and how they channelled their passion for law enforcement into new ventures, including writing, television and podcasting.

This episode offers a fascinating glimpse into the lives of two dedicated police officers, highlighting their unwavering commitment to justice and education, and offering listeners an in-depth look at the realities of careers in law enforcement and the enduring impact it has had on their lives.

For more information visit: https://www.cluarantonn.com/the-blue-way/anthonyandstevenparttwo/ If you'd like to find out more about Anthony and Steven visit; ⁠⁠Anthony McNeil⁠⁠ - The Off Duty Podcast - Law Enforcement - Humanizing the Badge ⁠⁠Steven Keogh⁠ - Free Course — stevenkeogh.com (stevekeogh.com) TIMESTAMPS:

0:20 Steven discusses his journey to the murder investigation team and investigating and solving murder cases, including how a calm and respectful approach when making arrests has always served him well.

13.07 Anthony shares how medical issues led to a career change from active duty to a desk job. He recounts a dangerous incident during his desk job involving a man attempting suicide by cop, and Anthony shares a story about positively influencing a troubled young boy.

28.14 Steven talks about retiring from the police and transitioning to writing a book, TV shows and online courses.

39.17 Anthony talks about his retirement and how he began a podcast where he speaks with former or current police officers from around the world, discussing their motivations and experiences around being police officers and digging deeper into their lives now.

51:07 Coming Up Teaser

In this episode, detectives Anthony and Steven share their unique perspectives on policing and detective work. Steven discusses the challenges of policing in ethnically diverse areas in London. He emphasises the importance of a police force that mirrors the community it serves and reflects on the complexities of stop and search practices. Anthony, on the other hand, provides insights into his experiences in the United States, detailing the evolution of police equipment and the importance of building rapport with suspects. Anthony recounts a memorable case involving a meticulous burglar, and Steven highlights the psychological tactics used in interviews. Both detectives offer a candid look at the intricacies of their roles, from everyday patrols to high-stakes anti-terrorism investigations, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the challenges and nuances of modern policing.

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Season 1 Episode 2 From Familiar Streets to New Beats: Lessons from the Frontline – Cluarantonn If you'd like to find out more about Anthony and Steven visit;

⁠Anthony McNeil⁠

⁠Steven Keogh

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Policing in Ethnically Diverse Areas

00:06:05 Patrol Team Dynamics

00:10:07 Experience with Police Equipment Police Violence

00:22:18 Commercial Property Crimes and Detective's Cat and Mouse Game

00:32:50 Interview Techniques in High-Stakes Situations

00:45:11 Negotiation Techniques

00:48:20 Episode Three Teaser

In this episode we hear from Steven Keogh, a retired Metropolitan detective, and Anthony McNeil, a retired Michigan police officer, who share their journeys into law enforcement. Steven reflects on his early days in South London, policing the area he grew up in, and the challenges of transitioning from an accounting career to the police force. Anthony recounts his unexpected path to becoming a police officer, the rigorous training at the academy, and the demanding field training programme. Both discuss the importance of knowing the community they serve and the real-world experiences that shaped their careers. This episode offers a candid look at the personal and professional lives of two seasoned officers.

Anthony McNeil who was a Police Officer with City of Southfield Police Department in Michigan, over a 20 year period from 1992 until 2013. During this time, Anthony worked in a variety of roles, including; patrol, Field Training officer, hostage negotiator and detective. Throughout Anthony’s career he was awarded many department citations and merits, and was named “Everyday Hero” by a local TV station.

Anthony sadly had health issues which forced him off the road in 2008, and into a front desk job, where he worked for five years, but he didn’t enjoy this and so he retired.

Steven Keogh was a Metropolitan Police Officer in London, with his first posting being in 1991 in South London when he was 20 years old. Steven spent half of his 30 year career as a Scotland Yard Detective, ending his career in 2021 as a Detective Inspector in the Murder Investigation Team, where he had been a murder investigator for 12 years. Over his career, Steven helped to hunt down terrorists, when in 2002 he joined Scotland Yard’s Elite Anti-terrorist Branch, where he spent three years, and he also investigated some of London’s worst murder cases.
Steven received a commendation in 2005 from the work he carried out on the London 7/7 bombings.

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Anthony McNeil

Steven Keogh

00:00:00: Introduction and Recent Collaborations

00:00:55: Anthony McNeil's Background and Career

00:06:04: Early Career and Desire to Start a Business

00:08:46: Steven Keogh's Background and Career

00:09:58: Steven's Early Career and Decision to Join the Police

00:12:01: Arresting School Friends and Community Policing

00:13:07: Police Training and Application Process

00:14:51: Medical Examination and Interview Process

00:17:44: Starting at Hendon and Initial Impressions

00:18:52: Life at the Police Academy

00:18:58: Anthony's Academy Experience and Physical Training

00:21:32: Challenges and Mind Games at the Academy

00:23:48: Proposal to Wife and Balancing Personal Life

00:25:33: Cadet Programme and Entry into the Police Academy

00:28:37: Academic and Practical Training at the Academy

00:31:50: Graduation and Field Training Officer (FTO) Programme

00:34:57: First Traffic Stop and Learning to Handle Situations

00:37:05: Stress and Challenges in the FTO Programme

00:41:27: Balancing Work, Court, and Personal Life

00:42:48: Street Duties and Early Policing Experience

00:45:22: Probation Period and Career Progression

00:49:22: Transition to Detective and Starting a Business

00:51:08: Conclusion and Sneak Peek of Episode Two

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Have you ever wondered what police do on a day to day basis, what differences there are between police throughout the world, how family members cope with having a police officer in their family, about the good and sometimes bad experiences people have had with the police, about officers who have killed or been killed in the line of duty, or about police that have committed crimes themselves?

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