Dr. Jonathan Howard and Wendy Orent dive into the controversial topic of herd immunity in the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore how early beliefs in natural immunity, touted by prominent figures, have been debunked by the ongoing waves of COVID reinfections and deaths. The discussion highlights how some experts have attempted to redefine herd immunity to cover up their past mistakes, and the duo emphasizes the importance of admitting errors rather than misleading the public.

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