Episodes

  • Who is the Duke Career Center?

    Who is the Duke Career Center?
    Sep 12 2022
    Transcript: Michael "Rudi" ...: Hello and welcome to the What's Career Got to Do With it podcast, where we hope to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages the listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you are at in this process, we hope this episode will meet you with affirmation, guidance, and maybe some laughs along the way. On today's episode, we will discuss and answer or many to the question, who is the Career Center? Without further ado, I'm going to have my colleagues joining me today answer a few questions about themselves, such as name, title, career, community, and also what does Career Everywhere mean to you? Nicole Mitchell: Well, hello everybody. My name is Nicole Mitchell, and I am the Associate Director of Career Readiness within the Career Center. I've been here for about a year and a half, almost two years in December. Career Everywhere means to me that I have abundant resources in places that I would never think of to look. So not only the Career Center, but I have my professors, I have my family, I have my friends, I have people on LinkedIn that I've never even met who are resources for me. So it is career, literally quite everywhere. Ängela Bonner: Wow, that was awesome. Nicole. This is Angela Bonner. I am an assistant director in the Career Center and I manage the education, government, nonprofit and policy career community here. Career Everywhere, for me, and I'm going to put it on our side, is just being in places where you may not think we are and finding those people that are in your typical places of classrooms. We might be in the office, we might be in the quad, just out there ready to help you with what you need. Kai Kelley, Jr.: Awesome. Just to round us out, my name is Kai Kelly, Jr. I serve as a career advisor for the Discovery Exploration Career Community. For me, Career Everywhere ties back to the Career Center's, guiding principles of relevancy, visibility and inclusivity, and thinking about having conversations about careers across campus. Michael "Rudi" ...: Those are my colleagues and my name is Michael Rudisill. Everybody calls me Rudi. I'm an assistant director in the Career Center as well, and I help to manage the healthcare and life science community. Career Everywhere for me is thinking about walking down the streets, seeing someone waiting at the traffic light, waiting to cross the road, and something comes up about their shoes, and then all of a sudden you figure out, "Oh, we like the same things." Then you keep talking. Next thing you know, you've got this new idea or opportunity to discover what their next steps are. Literally, that was corny. I'm sorry. Ängela Bonner: But Rudi always has one for us, so get ready folks. Buckle up. Michael "Rudi" ...: So what do we mean when we talk about things like Career Everywhere and career communities? Can we give a rundown of what this Career Center is? Maybe the most surface level explanation of what the Career Center is and what career communities are? Nicole Mitchell: So I'm going to start off and say this one, we do more than resume reviews. Shocker, shocker, shocker. I know everybody, I know it. But the Career Center is really your one stop shop for all of the thoughts that you are starting to have and all of the thoughts you will continue to have through your tenure here at Duke, on internships, career, goals, setting plans, practicing interviews, networking, informational interviewing, and I could go on and on and on, but I know I have some colleagues that have more for me as well. Ängela Bonner: Well, I would say, just to piggyback on Nicole, obviously with what she listed, you may not have it. So, we are a space where you do not have to have it all together. That's what we are here for, to help you develop yourself so that you can be that young professional once you walk across that stage. Hopefully soon. Our seniors are about to do it in a semester too. But just again, just
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    19 mins
  • What if I haven't found my purpose?

    What if I haven't found my purpose?
    Sep 13 2022
    Transcript: Michael "Rudi" ...: Hello, and welcome to The What's Career Got To Do With It? podcast, where we hope to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages the listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you're at in this process, we hope this episode will meet you with affirmation, guidance, and maybe some laughs along the way. On today's episode, we will discuss an answer or many to the questions of, "What if I haven't found my purpose?" Nicole Mitchell: Question of the day. Michael "Rudi" ...: Have you guys found it? Nicole Mitchell: I'm still working on it and that's okay. Michael "Rudi" ...: I feel like that could be a response to a lot of things to say, "And that's okay." Well, it depends. Nicole Mitchell: Absolutely. Michael "Rudi" ...: You need to make money, then yes, you need to find your purpose. Nicole Mitchell: And it's okay. Michael "Rudi" ...: But for real, though, maybe we begin with a little bit of sharing surrounding that, and our understanding of purpose and the work that we're doing, and what the meaningful work we're doing. So what is your why of the work that you do? Nicole Mitchell: Yeah, I think, for me, it was definitely wanting to give back what was given to me. So I was a sophomore in undergrad. I had no idea what I wanted to do career wise. I was a pre-med major for a semester, and then got all that chemistry on my schedule and said, "Mm-mm. Nope, not going to do that." So then I switched to pre-law and actually fell in love with it. But randomly, I had a roommate and she got work study in the athletic department. And one day, she came back and she was just miserable and I was like, "What's going on?" She's like, "I hate my work study." I was like, "Okay, well, tomorrow, I'll go with you." And I went with her and I fell in love. It was media relations. We were doing all of that. And I had some amazing mentors along the way. And essentially, that led me to finding my purpose of being a servant leader, wanting students to be okay with plan B, C, and D, and hoping that in some way, I could inspire students to have comfort in knowing they don't have to have it all planned out right when they hit 19 and 20. I had people along the way do that for me and I've always felt it my purpose to give that back. Ängela Bonner: Well, how about you, Kai? Kai Kelley, Jr.: I was thinking about it [inaudible] Michael "Rudi" ...: Kai is over there in deep thought. Kai Kelley, Jr.: I honestly was. I was in a trance and it was just about what is our why behind what we do. I think for me, it comes from a couple of different places. I think when I look at my family background, a lot of the way that we treat one another and how we look at our community through service of either through faith or education, I think that informed in the background, what I decided to do as a profession. But intentionally I wasn't thinking of it that way. It was just always something that you had to do to be a decent human being and community member through service, whether it be advising, having conversations, being a listening ear for somebody. And so for me, I took it from that standpoint. I didn't know I could turn that into a purposeful career. So I think that's what I was zoning out about, and I was thinking about Chick-fil-A. Ängela Bonner: Not sponsored, not sponsored, but Chick-fil-A. Not sponsored. Kai Kelley, Jr.: We just like the food. We'll discuss their mission and purpose later, but we love their food. Ängela Bonner: Wow. Kai, I think we were kind of on the same wavelength, which is why I'm looking at you like that. I think for me, I come from a family of servants, and it's just what you do. And I think during my process in undergrad, I knew what I wanted to do and I did it. But then I had to think about what Nicole was talking about, playing A, B, and C. I like to call it a parallel plan. I have athletic training background and I knew I didn't want to be 50 years old pickin
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    21 mins
  • When is the 'right' time to change paths?

    When is the 'right' time to change paths?
    Sep 13 2022
    Transcript: Nicole Mitchell: Hello and welcome to the What's Career got to Do with It podcast, where we hope to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages a listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you are at this process, we hope that this episode will meet you with affirmation, guidance, and maybe some laughs along the way. On today's episode, we will discuss an answer, or many, to the question, when is the right time to change paths? This is a deep one, this is a deep one. Michael "Rudi" ...: Never. Stay in the same place forever, as long as you can. Ängela Bonner: Consistency. Nicole Mitchell: So, I mean, let me open it up this way, right? The two of you, have you been in the same career for the whole entire time that you've been employed? Michael "Rudi" ...: No. I thought I was going to be playing football on Sunday and then, well, some height differences. Yeah, didn't work. Nicole Mitchell: How about you Angela? Ängela Bonner: No, definitely not. I started out as an athletic trainer on the field, on the football field. Nicole Mitchell: And I thought I was going to be a neurosurgeon. Ängela Bonner: Well, there you have it. Nicole Mitchell: So that kind answers the question, when is the right time to change paths? And to me, I think really it's when you have this feeling that something is not completely fulfilling you and you feel like you could potentially provide more in a different space. I think that's kind of the first thing that comes to mind for me. What about you guys? Michael "Rudi" ...: For me, it's more so along the lines of where is my health at. And not just your physical health, it's the overall spectrum of health, or from a wholeness perspective, looking at our spiritual, emotional, mental, physical health, yes, and taking those all into consideration. And sometimes those are going to decline, and it's not just your work or life balance that causes those to decline, it's numerous factors, life changes that may impact those. But it's when things that are not supposed to be making those things suffer, cause them to suffer. And that could be something along the lines of things that are either outside of your control or even within your control. And sometimes the best way to take retake control of our health is to make a transition step. So I always think about it from that standpoint. Ängela Bonner: I'm going to lead with this as a question my mom always asks my brother and I, are you happy? And if you're not, you need to find a way to get there. And so with that, for me, it's just a gut instinct. I know that this is not right and I got to figure out how to make it right again. And like you were saying, Rudi, finding that balance is so key. Am I drained every time I leave whatever I'm doing? Or am I just tired because I worked today and I can be refreshed tomorrow and go again? Michael "Rudi" ...: And I'm going to be honest to y'all, I'm not a fan of the word pivot. I don't watch Friends, sorry to everybody that watches the TV show Friends. I think there's some weird studies out there about generational differences of when people watch Friends and it's a resurgence of it, nineties, whatever. But the point is pivot, no, I don't look at is it a pivot either. And so every time I hear the question of changing career paths and making that pivot point, I'm like, why can't we reframe this? So what do y'all think? Is there a way to reframe that pivot? Ängela Bonner: Progression. Nicole Mitchell: Yeah, I had a mentor once, and it was funny because I was actually on their podcast. And when I was talking, I was talking about my pivot from athletics to higher education. And after it was done, my mentor said, let's get rid of that word pivot. So you can say you decided to explore a new journey. You've decided to experience new experiences, right? Because I think she had the same thing, a little bit of anxiety with that word pivot. So just thinking about ways to refr
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    23 mins
  • Where do we go from here?

    Where do we go from here?
    Oct 13 2022
    Transcript: Michael "Rudi" ...: Hello and welcome to the What's Career Got to Do With It podcast, where we hope to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages the listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you are at in this process, we hope this episode will meet you with affirmation, guidance, and maybe some laughs along the way. On today's episode, we will discuss an answer or many to the question, where do we go from here? Breaking through the block. Nicole Mitchell: Duh, duh, dun. Michael "Rudi" ...: Immediately just had an image of the juggernaut running through a wall. I'm the juggernaut. Ängela Bonner: And I was in football pads, just taking out the defensive lineman. Okay. Nicole Mitchell: Welcome to your career advisors. Come see us. Brian Center, bottom level. Michael "Rudi" ...: Yeah, yeah. The conversations we have, from Marvel comics to actual helpful hints, I hope. Anyway, so this question, in many ways, makes me feel stuck. I think that's this ubiquitous feeling that we have is like uh oh, here I am. I'm in this environment, and I don't know what to do. And it's beyond that of finding purpose that we've touched on. It's beyond the identifying that next step or making a pivot. It's the space before that, perhaps, where you're just stuck in a scenario, a situation. So many different things that are impacting, and you literally feel like you can't go anywhere. So for us, what is that moment? What tunes us into that? Nicole, what tunes you into that feeling of being stuck? How do you know you're there? Nicole Mitchell: I think for me it's more questions than answers, where I've gotten to a point where I'm just asking myself question after question after question. I might answer one every now and then. But definitely when I get to the point of asking more questions than being able to give more answers, I know that I'm stuck, and that it's time to lean in to my mentors, my Career Center, my community to help guide me in the next steps. Ängela Bonner: I think I'm stuck when I'm not happy, and I'm always drained. That's my telltale that is it's kind of time to have some more conversations. Michael "Rudi" ...: Yeah, I think it's weird that there's like this physiological phenomena associated with this that we actually physically don't feel like ourselves. And when we're in that place, we can't actually do the things we typically like to do, or maybe we replace the things we typically like to do with other things that are not as helpful in our lives. And I think, for me, I'm a person that's constantly moving, and I notice if I stop moving, I'm typically actually stuck, and I'm like- Nicole Mitchell: Pun intended. Michael "Rudi" ...: Yes. What do I next? And so paying attention to those physiological signs, to those racing thoughts, those questions, if there's more questions, we don't have a lot of answers, and that puts us in a place of being stuck, the environment that we're in. Those all are things that help us tune into that. So that how do we get unstuck? What exactly are we supposed to do to get out of that place? Your doctor will tell you to go exercise. And doctors are very good at that. I mean, that is fruitful advice. Ängela Bonner: It helps. Michael "Rudi" ...: John Green talks about all the time on his TikTok channel of taking another stupid walk, my stupid mental health. And yes. Ängela Bonner: Oh my. Michael "Rudi" ...: No, it's good. We need sunshine. Those things are important. But how do we get unstuck? Where do you send students, I think, for trying to avoid that? Nicole Mitchell: I think, for me, the first thing is doing a little self exploration. So there's a reason why we're stuck. We're stuck because we're ready for our next move. We're stuck because we don't have enough information to continue in the space that we're in. So doing a little self eval, and that could potentially be in the form of assessments. A
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    22 mins
  • Why do goals matter?

    Why do goals matter?
    Oct 20 2022
    Transcript: Ängela Bonner: Hello. Welcome to the What's Career Got To Do With It podcast, where we hope to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages the listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you're at in this process, we hope this episode will meet you with affirmation, guidance, and maybe some laughs along the way. Michael "Rudi" Rudisill: On today's episode, we will discuss and answer for many to the questions, why do goals matter, even if we don't always reach them? Yeah, this one's a tough one. Also, we're recording this early in the morning, so be ready for these answers. Maybe there's some apathy in our responses. We'll see what happens. Everybody, let's think about that. Why do goals matter? Just off the top of your head, what do you got for me? Ängela Bonner: You've got to have some sort of pathway to get to where you're going, whether it's a big goal or a little goal, it's just a little step forward each time. Nicole Mitchell: I look at it as competition with self. That's what sometimes motivates me. If I don't have something to strive for that day, what am I doing? Kai Kelley, Jr.: I think goals help you set realistic expectations. I thought immediately about how you season food when you cook. You've got the heavy handed seasoner, and then maybe you're a heavy handed goal setter and then you're like, "Okay, that's a lot." Then you rank it down. It helps you set realistic expectations. Nicole Mitchell: Is this black pepper too much? Kai Kelley, Jr.: Oh my God. Michael "Rudi" Rudisill: What if you're not motivated by goals? Nicole Mitchell: I think maybe take the approach of changing the name. Often when I'm talking to students about networking, I try to take the stigma away from the word and I say, think about it just as a conversation. If goals is a word that is intimidating to you and just takes away some of your will, or it just gives you anxiety, then maybe say, my prize for the day, my aha moment for the day, or what am I going to do this week? You can be something as simple as that. But for me, I think just maybe changing the wording. Ängela Bonner: I think so as well. It's almost like there are things that you have to do. Saturday might be the clean house update, but I really don't want to do it. If I can get through these things, I get, like Nicole said, my prize at the end of the day, I get to go to the mall. I get to go to the movies or whatever, self-care, whatever. Michael "Rudi" Rudisill: I agree. I think we all touched on this. There's short term and there's long term goals. We can reframe them. If we're reframing, how helpful is utilizing the goals of others to set or benchmark our goals? Because I think one of the common things that we see is someone coming into our office and talking about, or even myself. I know when I set goals, I look at other people's goals and say, "Are my goals big enough?" Let's talk a little bit about that. What does it look like for us to utilize the goals of others while also keeping in mind that these goals are our own and not someone else's? Ängela Bonner: I think it goes to that first step of the process and knowing yourself. We've talked about it in previous episodes. Don't compare yourself to others. You have that skeleton, that guideline, whether you're meeting with your mentor and they give you some goals to reach, you also got to know yourself and know that, "Okay, well, it's a big goal, but maybe if I cut it in half, it's still a pretty decent sized goal and it's attainable." Nicole Mitchell: I think along those steps, we just talked about changing the wording around goals. If you keep that same thing in mind, you're getting inspiration from others. You're giving yourself a pass to look at other people's goals. Hopefully, with you seeing that you're inspired to cater them to create your own goals, but it can almost be, again, that little nudge that you need to get past the word goals and just see what oth
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    24 mins
  • How do I find helpful humans and resources to kickstart my search?

    How do I find helpful humans and resources to kickstart my search?
    Oct 21 2022
    Transcript: Michael "Rudi" ...: Hello, and welcome to the What's Career Got to Do With It? Podcast, where we hope to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages the listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you are at in this process, we hope this episode will meet you with affirmation, guidance and maybe some laughs along the way. Ängela Bonner: On today's episode, we will discuss an answer, or many to the question, "How do I find helpful humans and resources to kickstart my search?" I need a helpful human this morning. I think that's a good way to start for us. All sorts of helpful humans, helpful coffee, helpful caffeine, get us going to talk about something that we have mentioned in part, but we really want to dive into today. Really helpful humans, who are they? How do we find them? That's why we titled it in this episode, how do we find them? So guys, people, everyone, how do we find helpful humans? Kai Kelley, Jr.: I think I'll start back just at the point of moving on campus and that first helpful human that I encountered was my RA because they were a good source of information to get me started. So I think that's a first point, that RA in the hallway. Nicole Mitchell: I think for me, it was the cafeteria workers. Kai Kelley, Jr.: Yeah. Nicole Mitchell: If we're talking about as students, we got to campus, the RA and then definitely making friends with cafeteria workers. They would always tell you what day are the days you needed to be there, so make sure you were first in line. And it was more of a comfort thing as well too, right? So I was finding a piece of comfort in this new space that I was going to be in and food is comfort and the people who were handling the food were extra comfort for me. Michael "Rudi" ...: I agree. I think that housing point was a really good one, because those are the first healthy humans you meet. RAs, the RD, housekeeping staff. All those folks are the good kind of introduction to who's who on campus? Nicole Mitchell: Definitely. And I don't want to set this up for everybody because this may not be the same thing, but mine was a person named Dave. Thanks Dave. Michael "Rudi" ...: Shout out to Dave. Ängela Bonner: Sometimes helpful humans find us and Dave happened to be a parent of one of my friends and Dave was basically really instrumental in me finding my next step after high school and he actually went all the way to write a letter for me and I think that shows us the level of which helpful humans may go for us is come out of the woodworks really to come up to us and say, "Hey, I've written this letter and I want to use it as some sort of way to talk to other people about what I think you can do." And it helped in my recruiting journey because I played college football. And I still have that letter to this day and it motivates me. And I feel I can go back to Dave anytime, even though it's been a few years since I've talked to Dave, but I don't want to set that up in saying that, people are always going to come out of nowhere to write you a letter, but sometimes that's how it happens too. And I think the word we have avoided too, throughout this time, has been networking. Michael "Rudi" ...: Dun, dun, dun. Ängela Bonner: Yeah. Because of the weight that it does carry, networking is this thing that really brings a lot of different feelings, emotions with it and causes us to question everything. So that's kind of why we have begun the conversation surrounding helpful humans because that's really what it is, this networking piece. And so, where do you think that... For you at least, where does that sense of uneasiness come from when you think about networking? Nicole Mitchell: I think it's that idea of something being transactional. A lot of times when I'm talking with students about networking, one and I'm sure we'll talk about this, "I don't know how to talk about myself," or "I don't feel comfortable in ta
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    27 mins
  • What does it mean to know yourself?

    What does it mean to know yourself?
    Oct 28 2022
    Transcript: Ängela: Hello and welcome to the What's Career Got to Do With It? podcast, where we hope to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages the listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you are in this process, we hope this episode meets you with affirmation guidance, and maybe some laughs along the way. Rudi: On today's episode, we will discuss an answer or many to the question, What does it mean to know yourself? Nicole: Why did Mr. T come in my head? “Know yourself, fool!” Kai: I don't know but I feel like... Ängela: That was good. Rudi: Yeah. That's it. So I mean, we get to hop into the research if we wanted to, but you know, we're operating right now and 5:30 p.m. or 5:30 a.m. Pacific Standard Time, although we record the show on the the East Coast. So never mind that. Ängela: It’s 5 am somewhere. Rudi: Let's try to pick our brains and see what we all think about self-awareness and what does that even mean to us? Ängela: I think, uh, I think it means kind of just knowing everything. Your goods, the bads, the uglies, what your boundaries are, what it means to get you going. What stops you in recognizing how to figure out how to work through issues and how you work through those issues. It's just…it encompasses a lot. Kai: I think just because self-awareness is kind of like a big part of what we all do in the Career Center and then it's also a part of like discovery and exploration. I think it also ties to like decision making. Yeah. So knowing why you like to make certain decisions and what those decisions might say about your beliefs and your values. Shout out to the Design Your Life book that we kind of use a lot in the Career Center. So I think it ties to that too. Nicole: To me, I'm going to take it as an old lady view right now, and say knowing yourself equates to freedom in so many ways. Um, because again, like everybody is talking about, you are self-aware. You know what works; you know what doesn't work. You know what you're willing to accept; you know what you're not willing to accept. It just kind of opens a path that you didn't even know needed to be open. When you are secure in self, not even secure in self, but when you know yourself enough to where you don't really have to think. It becomes second nature. This is who you are. So I don't really need to place too much thought on it because I already know. Kai: Yeah. Rudi: Yeah, definitely. And I think that we often think that knowledge, self-knowledge or any type of knowledge is absolute, and we think that it has to be completely formed, and we have to completely understand it. And I don't think that's the case at all. I think self-awareness is this concept or ability to be curious about yourself and discovering more and more each day, while also accepting that you're not going to know everything about yourself. Uh, I like the story of, or the stories I hear, of kids sitting in a classroom. And there's always that one kid that asks all the questions, always doing that. The class is almost over. The teacher has decided to close out the lesson early and they go, “Hey, does anybody have any more questions?” And then there's that one kid. Kai: Rudi, were you that kid? Nicole: Sounding familiar... Rudi: Maybe. But they were willing to ask questions when nobody else was. And I think the question asking was always framed as a negative there. But also the person asking the question should have a little bit of self-awareness around when to ask those questions. Ängela: That part too. Rudi: That part too. So the fine balance of when to ask questions and when to drop the question. So psychologists say, here’s psychologists, this is they from 1972. Now, this is an old book. So we can be aware about that, that it's older. So things may have changed, but “Self-awareness is the ability to focus on yourself and how your actions, thoughts or emot
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    24 mins
  • What are boundries?

    What are boundries?
    Nov 7 2022
    Transcript: Ängela: Hello and welcome to the What's Career Got to Do With It? podcast where we help to provide a space for honest conversation and information that encourages the listener to take the next steps in their career journey. Wherever you are in this process, we hope this episode will meet you with affirmation, guidance and maybe some laughs along the way. Rudi: On today's episode, we are joined by special guest QuiAnne Holmes, currently Assistant Director with DuWell and principal CEO and consultant of Heal. As we discuss an answer or many to the question, “what are boundaries?” Ängela: Dun dun dun... QuiAnne: Oh a loaded question but ready to break it down and hopefully enjoy what comes next. I would say boundaries are your understanding of what you need in the present moment and how you advocate for that to show up for others around you and then also an opportunity for you to explore, because sometimes a boundary that you set before might not be the same boundary and you might have to come back to that. Which is why I say the present moment, because it gives you a chance to focus on what you need right now and not necessarily always plan for the next best thing. Rudi: Yeah, I think boundaries are this like loaded word too, because there's like these firm boundaries. There's these soft boundaries. There's boundaries you can play around with. QuiAnne: Absolutely. Rudi: There's boundaries that you can see and there's boundaries that you can't QuiAnne: Right. And there's some boundaries that you never knew you had until you get in a situation where you realize… Ängela: Yes. QuiAnne: “Oh no, this is absolutely not going to work for me.” So no one, I feel like no one tells you, like there are certain things that you don't find out until you get put into those situations, because there are sometimes assumptions like, “oh, they're not going to do this, they're not going to say this, they're not going to treat me that way” until it happens. And then you're like, “Whoa, what do I do to address this?” Because this wasn't something that I was expecting. I think when we conversate about boundaries it’s typically delivered in a way of like set these boundaries, do these things, and you won't have to worry about it, but sometimes you can't be as proactive. There are things you can be proactive about because you know yourself. And then there are sometimes things that happen in the moment where you realize, “Oh, I didn't know this bothered me because I've never had to deal with this before. And now that I'm dealing with it now I know I don't like it. How do I move forward with that?” Rudi: Yeah, and I think that's something we see often with our student population. And I want them to know that it's not just a student thing. It's a…it's a lifelong thing. It's an everybody thing. There are boundaries that we have to think about as we enter the professional workforce. There's personal boundaries that you develop over time with a partner, with family, with children, with so many other things, hobbies, you name it. And so it's not just the context of what you're doing now as a student, what you're doing now as a professional. There's so many different ways to look at this. So, QuiAnne can you walk us through maybe some of the the work that you have done around boundaries, setting conversations, maybe that you have had in particular? QuiAnne: Yeah, I think it would be helpful for me to kind of start when I was a student. So, I had my undergraduate experience at North Carolina State University. I'm part of the Wolfpack, and I think the first boundary setting was with a roommate. That's the first conversation where you realize, “Hey, I live a certain way and I like to keep that, but now someone else is in my space.” How do you have conversations with someone to say, “I like the room this tempera
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    29 mins