• When is a Tree not a Tree? The 'Net Zero' Wood Burning Scam - with Dr Mary Booth of Partnership for Policy Integrity

  • Aug 21 2024
  • Length: 1 hr and 5 mins
  • Podcast

When is a Tree not a Tree? The 'Net Zero' Wood Burning Scam - with Dr Mary Booth of Partnership for Policy Integrity

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  • We live in a burning world. As we record, there are record wildfires across the Americas, record temperatures around the world, falling oxygen levels in the oceans and however much supposedly renewable energy we produce, Jevons' Paradox means we keep on burning fossil fuels. This is not a great combination, but even the so called renewables have more under the hood than appears on the surface. Burning wood - or grasses - for 'Green' Energy is both a massive accounting scam and one of the ways that the predatory industrial complex sucks in eye-watering quantities of public money - while selling us the lie that this is somehow net zero. It isn't, but sometimes we need someone who really knows what they're talking about to spell out the details for us and this week, our guest is one of those people.

    Dr. Mary Booth is the founder and director of the Partnership for Policy Integrity, a Massachusetts-based think tank that uses science, communications, and strategic advocacy to protect forests and our climate future. Mary worked as Senior Scientist in the Environmental Working Group in the US, working on water quality. Now, she directs the PFPI’s science and advocacy work on greenhouse gas, air pollutant, and forest impacts of biomass energy and has provided science and policy support to hundreds of activists, researchers, and policy makers across the US and EU - and now that the UK is no longer in the EU (sigh) in the UK as well.

    I heard Mary on the Economics for Rebels podcast back in February and was blown away by her grasp of the essential science, and also by the sheer mendacity of the companies involved: the lies they tell, the false accounting they use and the extent to which they are destroying the biosphere to give us - or at least, those who set our policies and spend public money - an illusion of somehow being more 'green', more sustainable, more ethical.

    I wanted to give listeners to Accidental Gods the chance to hear Mary in action, so here we are: people of the podcast, please welcome Dr Mary Booth of the Partnership for Policy Integrity.


    Partnership for Policy Integrity https://www.pfpi.net/
    PFPI international work https://www.pfpi.net/international-work/
    Guardian article by Greta Thunberg https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/sep/05/burning-forests-energy-renewable-eu-wood-climate
    Land Climate Blog https://www.landclimate.org/the-problem-of-bioenergy-in-the-eu/
    Forest Defenders Alliance (EU) https://forestdefenders.eu/
    Forest Litigation Collaborative https://forestlitigation.org/
    BBC Panorama: Green Energy Scandal Exposed https://vimeo.com/795555785/c6e9420ff6

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