In this episode, two retired police officers from the US and the UK, Anthony McNeil and Steven Keogh, share their experiences and perspectives on the evolution of policing over the past few decades. They discuss the impact of technology, social media, and politics on the profession, contrasting their early days on the force with the current environment. The conversation highlights the challenges faced by modern officers, the importance of communication skills, and the differences in policing practices between the two countries. They also share personal anecdotes, including their children's involvement in law enforcement and the changing societal attitudes towards police work. For more information visit: https://www.cluarantonn.com/the-blue-way/anthonyandstevenpartfour If you'd like to find out more about Anthony and Steven visit; ⁠⁠Anthony McNeil⁠⁠ - The Off Duty Podcast - Law Enforcement - Humanizing the Badge (https://www.theoffdutypodcast.com/) ⁠⁠Steven Keogh⁠ - Free Course — stevenkeogh.com (stevekeogh.com) (https://stevekeogh.com/courses) TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Intro 11:03 Use of Body Cameras in Law Enforcement 12:47 Approach to Deadly Force in Law Enforcement 14:09 Different Approaches to Law Enforcement 20:34 Experience as a Detective 23:33 Impact of Changes in Police Procedures 25:37 Stories about Children's Career Choices 26:38 Changes in Policing Profession 30:06 Gun Laws in the UK

In this episode, we welcome Steven and Anthony, two former police officers with extensive careers in law enforcement. Steven recounts his early days handling robbery and rape cases, sharing the challenges and experiences that came with those roles, and how he found his true calling in murder investigations. Anthony provides a detailed account of his career, discussing his transition to a desk job due for the last five years of his career due to a severe health scare, a role that Anthony found frustrating and unfulfilling. Although, Anthony recounts a poignant moment where he realised the impact he could still make in this role, where he was able to help a troubled young boy turn his life around.

The conversation then turns to Anthony and Steven’s eventual retirements and how they channelled their passion for law enforcement into new ventures, including writing, television and podcasting.

This episode offers a fascinating glimpse into the lives of two dedicated police officers, highlighting their unwavering commitment to justice and education, and offering listeners an in-depth look at the realities of careers in law enforcement and the enduring impact it has had on their lives.

For more information visit: https://www.cluarantonn.com/the-blue-way/anthonyandstevenparttwo/ If you'd like to find out more about Anthony and Steven visit; ⁠⁠Anthony McNeil⁠⁠ - The Off Duty Podcast - Law Enforcement - Humanizing the Badge ⁠⁠Steven Keogh⁠ - Free Course — stevenkeogh.com (stevekeogh.com) TIMESTAMPS:

0:20 Steven discusses his journey to the murder investigation team and investigating and solving murder cases, including how a calm and respectful approach when making arrests has always served him well.

13.07 Anthony shares how medical issues led to a career change from active duty to a desk job. He recounts a dangerous incident during his desk job involving a man attempting suicide by cop, and Anthony shares a story about positively influencing a troubled young boy.

28.14 Steven talks about retiring from the police and transitioning to writing a book, TV shows and online courses.

39.17 Anthony talks about his retirement and how he began a podcast where he speaks with former or current police officers from around the world, discussing their motivations and experiences around being police officers and digging deeper into their lives now.

51:07 Coming Up Teaser

In this episode, detectives Anthony and Steven share their unique perspectives on policing and detective work. Steven discusses the challenges of policing in ethnically diverse areas in London. He emphasises the importance of a police force that mirrors the community it serves and reflects on the complexities of stop and search practices. Anthony, on the other hand, provides insights into his experiences in the United States, detailing the evolution of police equipment and the importance of building rapport with suspects. Anthony recounts a memorable case involving a meticulous burglar, and Steven highlights the psychological tactics used in interviews. Both detectives offer a candid look at the intricacies of their roles, from everyday patrols to high-stakes anti-terrorism investigations, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the challenges and nuances of modern policing.

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Season 1 Episode 2 From Familiar Streets to New Beats: Lessons from the Frontline – Cluarantonn If you'd like to find out more about Anthony and Steven visit;

⁠Anthony McNeil⁠

⁠Steven Keogh

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Policing in Ethnically Diverse Areas

00:06:05 Patrol Team Dynamics

00:10:07 Experience with Police Equipment Police Violence

00:22:18 Commercial Property Crimes and Detective's Cat and Mouse Game

00:32:50 Interview Techniques in High-Stakes Situations

00:45:11 Negotiation Techniques

00:48:20 Episode Three Teaser